Quiz: siamo di fronte ad una super trappola dello stratega!?

[Ryu]

[Ryu]

Ecco le mani di cui avevo accennato:

***** Hand History for Game 5693396043 *****
$2000 PL Omaha - Tuesday, February 20, 13:44:43 ET 2007
Table Table 126833 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: Byrrrr ( $2204 )
Seat 3: Strategen ( $13359 )
Seat 4: prodigal991 ( $270 )
Seat 6: VovTroyJeblt ( $1938.50 )
Seat 7: sigminator11 ( $1840 )
Seat 8: Dawkinism ( $1758 )
Seat 9: hilokunto ( $3337 )
Seat 10: Givarkungen ( $1894 )
Seat 5: Ryu____ ( $2314.50 )
Seat 1: teleffon ( $2004 )
VovTroyJeblt posts small blind [$10].
sigminator11 posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ryu____ [ Ac 3c 8d 8s ]
Dawkinism folds
hilokunto folds
Givarkungen folds
teleffon folds
Byrrrr folds
Strategen folds
>You have options at Table 126622 (No DP) Table!.
prodigal991 folds
Ryu____ calls [$20]
VovTroyJeblt calls [$10]
sigminator11 checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, 6h, 4h ]
VovTroyJeblt checks
>You have options at Table 127619 (No DP) Table!.
sigminator11 checks
Ryu____ checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
VovTroyJeblt checks
sigminator11 checks
Ryu____ bets [$57]
VovTroyJeblt calls [$57]
sigminator11 folds
** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]
VovTroyJeblt checks
>You have options at Table 126622 (No DP) Table!.
Ryu____ checks
VovTroyJeblt shows [ 2s, Qs, Kc, 2d ]two pairs, Fours and Twos.
Ryu____ shows [ Ac, 3c, 8d, 8s ]two pairs, Aces and Fours.
Ryu____ wins $171 from the main pot with two pairs, Aces and Fours.


***** Hand History for Game 5693393273 *****
$2000 PL Omaha - Tuesday, February 20, 13:43:49 ET 2007
Table Table 126833 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: Byrrrr ( $2204 )
Seat 3: Strategen ( $13359 )
Seat 4: prodigal991 ( $270 )
Seat 6: VovTroyJeblt ( $2298.50 )
Seat 7: sigminator11 ( $1840 )
Seat 8: Dawkinism ( $1758 )
Seat 9: hilokunto ( $3337 )
Seat 10: Givarkungen ( $1994 )
Seat 5: Ryu____ ( $1837.50 )
Seat 1: teleffon ( $2024 )
Ryu____ posts small blind [$10].
VovTroyJeblt posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ryu____ [ Qs As Ks Kh ]
sigminator11 folds
Dawkinism folds
hilokunto folds
Givarkungen calls [$20]
>You have options at Table 126622 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 125414 (No DP) Table!.
teleffon calls [$20]
Byrrrr folds
Strategen folds
prodigal991 folds
Ryu____ calls [$10]
VovTroyJeblt raises [$80]
Givarkungen calls [$80]
teleffon folds
Ryu____ calls [$80]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Ah, 4c ]
Ryu____ checks
VovTroyJeblt bets [$260]
>You have options at Table 125414 (No DP) Table!.
Givarkungen folds
Ryu____ raises [$560]
VovTroyJeblt folds
Ryu____ does not show cards.
Ryu____ wins $1137


***** Hand History for Game 5693398590 *****
$2000 PL Omaha - Tuesday, February 20, 13:45:26 ET 2007
Table Table 125414 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: sigminator11 ( $1718 )
Seat 6: A55HO1E ( $1022 )
Seat 10: Dawkinism ( $4887 )
Seat 5: Ryu____ ( $4255 )
Seat 4: damao168 ( $845 )
Seat 1: Byrrrr ( $2690 )
Seat 9: Kirov555 ( $1019.92 )
Seat 3: LuckyMarsian ( $2000 )
sigminator11 posts small blind [$10].
>You have options at Table 127619 (No DP) Table!.
LuckyMarsian posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ryu____ [ Jc Td Jd Th ]
>You have options at Table 127619 (No DP) Table!.
Ryu____ raises [$70]
>You have options at Table 126833 (No DP) Table!.
A55HO1E calls [$70]
Dawkinism folds
Byrrrr folds
sigminator11 folds
LuckyMarsian folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, Jh, Qs ]
>You have options at Table 127619 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 126622 (No DP) Table!.
Ryu____ bets [$100]
A55HO1E calls [$100]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ]
Ryu____ bets [$367]
>You have options at Table 126622 (No DP) Table!.
A55HO1E calls [$367]
** Dealing River ** [ As ]
>You have options at Table 127619 (No DP) Table!.
Ryu____ bets [$1101]
A55HO1E is all-In [$485]
Ryu____ shows [ Jc, Td, Jd, Th ]a full house, Jacks full of Queens.
A55HO1E doesn't show [ Kc, Tc, Ks, 6s ]a flush, Ace high.
Ryu____ wins $616 from side pot #1 with a full house, Jacks full of Queens.
Ryu____ wins $2071 from the main pot with a full house, Jacks full of Queens.
>You have options at Table 126622 (No DP) Table!.

[Cece83]

Non sono un fenomeno dell omaha ma questi come ***** giocano??
Cmq da come giocano quello potrebbe avere qualsiasi cosa,come fai a leggere certa gente o sbaglio???Potrebbere avere o due fiori inmano o qualche set...boh sinceramente non saprei proprio...

[Tatanka]

Vista così sarebbe da fold immediato per me...cioè un raise allin e un call (dalle mani postate il troy non è un mostro ma ha dimostrato +paura e dabbennagine per inseguire...qui prende l'iniziativa e non poco...se aggiungiamo il call dello "stratega" che nn ha mai giocato nelle altre mani penserei a mollare)
Ragionando su cosa possano avere, direi un set e un flush draw...

Da come la posti tu avrai probabilmente chiamato...parlando di odds effettivamente potresti essere mediamente al 20% contro2 giocatori normali...se inveci pensiche con due teste ne faccianosolo una buona (cioè magari un flusdraw e una big pair) potresti esser sul 40% e la chiamata sarebbe d'obbligo...(diciamo che gli regaleresti i soldi solo di fronte ad un flush draw e un set ma di 9 o 5 e nn di 3)

Molto molto difficile...se devo scegliere dico fold.

[Ryu]

Mi ero dimenticato la risposta, al tipo di buio non potevo fare una mano superiore alla mia, al massimo qualcosa come AAxx con flush draw oppure AQQx sempre col draw, la giocata del genio al cut-off non può indicarmi niente di piu che un draw o di un kkxx sempre con flush draw poichè è ovvio che non avrebbe mai fatto check al cut-off con un set.


>You have options at Table 127619 (No DP) Table!.
Ryu____ is all-In [$1584]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
>You have options at Table 126622 (No DP) Table!.
Ryu____ shows [ Jd, 9h, 5d, Td ]two pairs, Tens and Nines.
VovTroyJeblt shows [ 6s, 5h, 2d, 3s ]two pairs, Fives and Threes.
Strategen shows [ 2c, Ac, 9s, Kc ]a flush, Ace high.
Strategen wins $185 from side pot #2 with a flush, Ace high.
Strategen wins $376 from side pot #1 with a flush, Ace high.
Strategen wins $7140 from the main pot with a flush, Ace high.

[franzinator]

[Ryu]

Io anche mid. set avrei foldato, se non fosse che conoscevo bene i miei avversari ed erano degli imbarcati patologici! Poi comunque è proprio per questo che ho messo la mano come quiz visto che è mooooooooooooolto atipica.