Rosicchio elevato

[Niceye]

PL $50 Omaha Hi/Lo (Pot Limit) - 01.20.00 24/02/2007 ET
Table 'Leak', 10 seats max, Real money
Seat 3 is the button. Small Blind $0.13, Big Blind $0.25
Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 10
Seat 1 (playing) : Player 1, amount $9.77, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 2 (playing) : niceye, amount $28.95, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 3 (playing) : Player 3, amount $37.08, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 4 (playing) : Player 4, amount $57.82, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 5 (playing) : Player 5, amount $38.37, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 6 (playing) : Player 6, amount $114.45, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 7 (playing) : Player 7, amount $16.12, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 8 (playing) : Player 8, amount $13.51, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 9 (playing) : Player 9, amount $9.20, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 10 (playing) : Player 10, amount $11.03, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Player 4: Small Blind ($0.13)
Player 5: Big Blind ($0.25)
** Dealing Down Cards **
Dealt to niceye: [5c, 3c, 2s, 7s]
Player 6: Call ($0.25)
Player 7: Call ($0.25)
Player 8: Call ($0.25)
Player 9: Fold
Player 10: Fold
Player 1: Fold
niceye: Call ($0.25)
Player 3: Fold
Player 4: Fold
Player 5: Check ($0)
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [AAd , Kh, 4c]
Player 5: Bet ($1.33)
Player 6: Call ($1.33)
Player 7: Fold
Player 8: Call ($1.33)
niceye: Raise ($7.98*)
Player 5: Raise ($27.93)
Player 6: Fold
Player 8: Fold
niceye: Call ($19.95)
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [10h]
Player 5: Bet ($1)
niceye: Call ($0.77)
niceye: Show Cards ($0)
Player 5: Show Cards ($0)
** Dealing River **
Community cards: [Jc]
** End Round **
** Evaluate **
Player 5: Show Cards ($0)
niceye: Show Cards ($0)
** Showdown **
Main pot $58.44, Rake $3
Side pot #1 $0.23, Rake $0
Summary niceye: bet $28.95, won $0, net $-28.95
Summary Player 5: bet $30.51, won $58.67, net $28.16, HoleCards [Qc, 3d, KKs, Kc], HiHand [a straight, ten to ace] [AAd, KKs, Qc, Jc, 10h], won $58.44 from main pot, won $0.23 from side pot #1

[Niceye]

L'ho modificato più volte perchè alcune carte non le visualizzava.
Il raise è stato giusto?
A freddo avrei fatto meglio a callare e basta tanto il tizio avrebbe raisato lo stesso al turn però avevo paura che al turn uscisse na bega e di perdere il treno...

[76andrea]

Purtroppo nell'Omahama hi low ci devi fare il callo.... devi saper ponderare bene quale mano vuoi giocarti... hai visto tutte low e pensavi di spuntarla... ma spesso dopo i tre carte basse magari 7h7s 3h... becchi tutte carte alte e sei fregato.... devi guadagnarti le carte + economicamente... perchè alcune volte il primo board il flop da solo delle mere illusioni di vincere....

Quindi occorre giocare tanto le hi card che le low card... non ci si deve fissare solo con le low...

[Spinwing]

[Niceye]

Mmm grazie per le risposte.

Esplico meglio il ragionamento a caldo. Troppa gente ha callato, il tizio che ha fatto raise l'avevo messo sicuro su un set, gli altri volevo farli uscire. Gli out per la scala Spin non sono 9 teoricamente? Io ho sparato per quello siccome aveva sicuro un set avevo un 30% di chiudere scala per l'Hi e 18 out (molto teorici) se non erro per pattare. O sbaglio?

[Ryu]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !?!?!?!?!!?!?

COSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ?!?!??!?

Niceye sta andando per la Wheel che è il punto Bingo all' omaha/8 ha nove outs al flop per il doppio nut high e low ( più un backdoor flush trascurabile ).

Il fatto che il l'avversario potrebbe avere un re-draw in caso di turn favorevole è un fattore da considerare ma non in questi termini!!!


Come fai a parlare di low draw e basta? SCHERZIAMO !? Li il giocatore probabilmente ha sbagliato per il seplice motivo che ha dato modo all'avversario di isolarlo e di giocare Hu un piatto che sarebbe stato meglio giocare in multiway.

Io avrei fatto un re-raise massimo x 3 per provare a tirare dentro più giocatori possibili anche se probabilmente non sarebbe servito a cambiare il fatto di rimanere isolato in Hu.

[Ryu]

Mettendo sul calcolatore esce che aveva con quel "cesso di mano" andando all-in al flop Hu contro quel set di K ( praticamente il nut ma fatalmente con lo stesso backdoor flush ) il 31% di fare scoop e il 72% di chiudere il low.

In pratica il 31% delle volte il piatto verrà vinto per intero e nel 41% dei casi rimanenti si risolvera in una spartizione delle piccola puntate preflop e del flop CONTRO UN 18% di chances DI PERDERE !!!

RIPETO l'unico errore è che non si è tentato di spremere un po di più gli altri avversari, per quanto riguarda l'esito della mano si è trattato soltanto di un pizzico di sfortuna.

Scusa Spinwing se ogni tanto intervengo in modo cosi netto e cinico, ma certe cose mi fanno balzare sulla sedia e cerco di esprimere la mia opinione per il bene dei bankroll di tutti gli utenti. Ciau

[Niceye]

[Spinwing]

[Spinwing]

Scusa Spinwing se ogni tanto intervengo in modo cosi netto e cinico, ma certe cose mi fanno balzare sulla sedia e cerco di esprimere la mia opinione per il bene dei bankroll di tutti gli utenti. Ciau

No prob, lo sappiamo che hai un modo tuo di esprimerti, mica mi offendo. Qui quello che ha da imparare sono io...

[76andrea]

Secondo me l'omahama è tutto qui... un vero bordello di mani annunciate vinte e perse.... senza ritegno


PokerStars Game #8642032578: Tournament #44003800, $3.00+$0.40 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/02/26 - 20:02:10 (ET)
Table '44003800 1' 10-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: calmu1856 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: testarossa50 (1490 in chips)
Seat 5: boricua124 (1540 in chips)
Seat 6: nessa dawn (1670 in chips)
Seat 7: bossderk (960 in chips)
Seat 8: 76andrea (5480 in chips)
Seat 9: TIM R (1090 in chips)
Seat 10: hollywood972 (1270 in chips)
76andrea: posts small blind 15
TIM R: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 76andrea [5d 2h Td 7d]
76andrea said, "nh"
hollywood972: calls 30
calmu1856: folds
testarossa50: folds
boricua124: calls 30
nessa dawn: calls 30
bossderk: calls 30
76andrea: calls 15
TIM R: checks
*** FLOP *** [4c 8d 3c]
76andrea: checks
TIM R: checks
hollywood972: checks
boricua124: bets 180
nessa dawn: calls 180
bossderk: raises 720 to 900
76andrea: raises 1080 to 1980
TIM R: folds
hollywood972: folds
boricua124: calls 1330 and is all-in
nessa dawn: folds
bossderk: calls 30 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [4c 8d 3c] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [4c 8d 3c Jh] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
76andrea: shows [5d 2h Td 7d] (HI: a straight, Seven to Jack; LO: 8,5,4,3,2)
boricua124: shows [Ad 4h 4d 3d] (HI: three of a kind, Fours)
76andrea collected 580 from side pot
76andrea collected 580 from side pot
bossderk: shows [9d 2d 5c Jc] (HI: two pair, Jacks and Nines; LO: 8,5,4,3,2)
76andrea collected 1575 from main pot
76andrea collected 788 from main pot
bossderk collected 787 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4310 Main pot 3150. Side pot 1160. | Rake 0
Board [4c 8d 3c Jh 9h]
Seat 1: calmu1856 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: testarossa50 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: boricua124 showed [Ad 4h 4d 3d] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Fours
Seat 6: nessa dawn folded on the Flop
Seat 7: bossderk (button) showed [9d 2d 5c Jc] and won (787) with HI: two pair, Jacks and Nines; LO: 8,5,4,3,2
Seat 8: 76andrea (small blind) showed [5d 2h Td 7d] and won (3523) with HI: a straight, Seven to Jack; LO: 8,5,4,3,2
Seat 9: TIM R (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 10: hollywood972 folded on the Flop

Mo' mi volete dire che era prevedibile la mia scala dal flop??????

I miei avversari avevano flush draw e full draw... io grazie allo stake o tirato giù

[76andrea]

PokerStars Game #8652686792: Tournament #44055797, $3.00+$0.40 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/02/27 - 13:38:56 (ET)
Table '44055797 1' 10-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: bum2002 (1460 in chips)
Seat 2: 76andrea (2118 in chips)
Seat 3: boobee1973 (1450 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: googy (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: beerman25 (1875 in chips)
Seat 6: bugbaby (1455 in chips)
Seat 7: Maderada (1085 in chips)
Seat 8: ak_squirrel (1587 in chips)
Seat 9: marvin43619 (1085 in chips)
Seat 10: AncientWarry (1445 in chips)
Maderada: posts small blind 15
ak_squirrel: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 76andrea [5h AAs Td 3d]
marvin43619: calls 30
AncientWarry: raises 105 to 135
bum2002: folds
76andrea: calls 135
boobee1973: folds
googy: folds
beerman25: folds
bugbaby: folds
Maderada: calls 120
ak_squirrel: calls 105
marvin43619: calls 105
*** FLOP *** [8d Tc Ts]
Maderada: checks
ak_squirrel: checks
marvin43619: checks
AncientWarry: bets 675
76andrea: raises 675 to 1350
Maderada: calls 950 and is all-in
ak_squirrel: folds
marvin43619: folds
AncientWarry: calls 635 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [8d Tc Ts] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [8d Tc Ts 8c] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
AncientWarry: shows [3s 4s 4d 6c] (HI: a full house, Eights full of Fours)
76andrea: shows [5h AAs Td 3d] (HI: three of a kind, Tens)
AncientWarry collected 720 from side pot
Maderada: shows [Jd 5d AAd 3h] (HI: three of a kind, Eights)
AncientWarry collected 3525 from main pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4245 Main pot 3525. Side pot 720. | Rake 0
Board [8d Tc Ts 8c 8s]
Seat 1: bum2002 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 76andrea showed [5h AAs Td 3d] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Tens
Seat 3: boobee1973 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: googy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: beerman25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: bugbaby (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Maderada (small blind) showed [Jd 5d Ad 3h] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Eights
Seat 8: ak_squirrel (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: marvin43619 folded on the Flop
Seat 10: AncientWarry showed [3s 4s 4d 6c] and won (4245) with HI: a full house, Eights full of



Fours

[76andrea]

PokerStars Game #8652702315: Tournament #44055797, $3.00+$0.40 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/02/27 - 13:40:11 (ET)
Table '44055797 1' 10-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: bum2002 (1460 in chips)
Seat 2: 76andrea (673 in chips)
Seat 3: boobee1973 (1450 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: googy (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: beerman25 (1875 in chips)
Seat 6: bugbaby (1455 in chips)
Seat 8: ak_squirrel (1452 in chips)
Seat 9: marvin43619 (950 in chips)
Seat 10: AncientWarry (4245 in chips)
marvin43619: posts small blind 15
AncientWarry: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 76andrea [2s Jh 4d 8s]
bum2002: folds
76andrea: calls 30
boobee1973: folds
googy: folds
beerman25: calls 30
bugbaby: folds
ak_squirrel: calls 30
marvin43619: calls 15
AncientWarry: raises 150 to 180
76andrea: calls 150
beerman25: calls 150
ak_squirrel: folds
marvin43619: folds
*** FLOP *** [5h Js AAs]
AncientWarry: checks
76andrea: bets 493 and is all-in
beerman25: folds
AncientWarry: calls 493
*** TURN *** [5h Js AAs] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [5h Js AAs Ts] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
AncientWarry: shows [9c 4h 6d 5c] (HI: two pair, Nines and Fives)
76andrea: shows [2s Jh 4d 8s] (HI: a flush, Ace high)
76andrea collected 1586 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1586 | Rake 0
Board [5h Js AAs Ts 9s]
Seat 1: bum2002 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 76andrea showed [2s Jh 4d 8s] and won (1586) with HI: a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: boobee1973 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: googy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: beerman25 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: bugbaby folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ak_squirrel (button) folded before Flop
Seat 9: marvin43619 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 10: AncientWarry (big blind) showed [9c 4h 6d 5c] and lost with HI: two pair, Nines and Fives

[76andrea]

PokerStars Game #8652762732: Tournament #44055797, $3.00+$0.40 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/02/27 - 13:45:02 (ET)
Table '44055797 1' 10-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: bum2002 (1485 in chips)
Seat 2: 76andrea (2254 in chips)
Seat 3: boobee1973 (1400 in chips)
Seat 4: googy (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: beerman25 (2772 in chips)
Seat 6: bugbaby (1305 in chips)
Seat 8: ak_squirrel (3194 in chips)
Seat 9: marvin43619 (645 in chips)
Seat 10: AncientWarry (505 in chips)
boobee1973: posts small blind 25
googy: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 76andrea [6c 3c AAc Kd]
marvin43619 said, "nice"
76andrea said, "finally"
beerman25: calls 50
bugbaby: folds
ak_squirrel: folds
marvin43619: raises 175 to 225
AncientWarry: raises 280 to 505 and is all-in
bum2002: folds
76andrea: raises 1360 to 1865
boobee1973: calls 1375 and is all-in
googy: folds
beerman25: folds
marvin43619: calls 420 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [7s 6s Kc 8c] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
boobee1973: shows [7h 5s Qd Qc] (HI: a pair of Queens; LO: 8,7,6,5,2)
76andrea: shows [6c 3c AAc Kd] (HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 7,6,3,2,A)
76andrea collected 755 from side pot-2
76andrea collected 755 from side pot-2
marvin43619: shows [AAh AAd 7c 5c] (HI: a flush, King high; LO: 7,6,5,2,A)
76andrea said, "lol"
76andrea collected 210 from side pot-1
76andrea collected 210 from side pot-1
AncientWarry: shows [6h 8h Td Jd] (HI: two pair, Eights and Sixes)
76andrea collected 1060 from main pot
76andrea collected 1060 from main pot
beerman25 said, "vnh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4050 Main pot 2120. Side pot-1 420. Side pot-2 1510. | Rake 0
Board [7s 6s Kc 8c 2c]
Seat 1: bum2002 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 76andrea (button) showed [6c 3c AAc Kd] and won (4050) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 7,6,3,2,A
Seat 3: boobee1973 (small blind) showed [7h 5s Qd Qc] and lost with HI: a pair of Queens; LO: 8,7,6,5,2
Seat 4: googy (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: beerman25 folded before Flop
Seat 6: bugbaby folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ak_squirrel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: marvin43619 showed [AAh AAd 7c 5c] and lost with HI: a flush, King high; LO: 7,6,5,2,A
Seat 10: AncientWarry showed [6h 8h Td Jd] and lost with HI: two pair, Eights and Sixes

[Ryu]

Cos'è stai facendo degli esperimenti per uno studio particolare!?

[76andrea]

l' hi low è la variante + inimmaginabile del poker o almeno uno dei + imprevedibili..... solo per dire che occorre stare attenti a farsi un'idea troppo low...dell'omahama...

All'inizio giocavao solo low ora flush str8 e low.....