holdem gioco di flop, omaha gioco di turn?

[Fily]

***** Hand History for Game 5781002534 *****0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Sun Mar 18 09:36:40 EDT 2007Table Table 126509 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10Seat 1: syuen101 ( $51.10)Seat 2: dimaer238 ( $28.35)Seat 3: cube247 ( $159.85)Seat 4: TheDFA ( $32.60)Seat 5: PokerSpass ( $5.85)Seat 6: RatZiggy ( $23.55)Seat 7: scheka22 ( $23.15)Seat 8: filyph ( $24.40)Seat 9: jardabudy ( $50.91)Seat 10: parturi ( $19.70)jardabudy posts small blind (0.10)parturi posts big blind (0.25)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to filyph [ 9d, Qh, Qd, Ks ] syuen101 folds.dimaer238 calls (0.25)cube247 calls (0.25)PokerSpass folds.RatZiggy calls (0.25)scheka22 folds.filyph calls (0.25)jardabudy calls (0.15)parturi checks.** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8d, Jc, Tc ] jardabudy checks.parturi checks.dimaer238 checks.cube247 checks.RatZiggy checks.filyph bets (1.45)jardabudy calls (1.45)parturi folds.dimaer238 calls (1.45)cube247 folds.RatZiggy folds.** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6s ] jardabudy checks.dimaer238 bets (5.60)filyph raises (22.40) to 22.40jardabudy folds.dimaer238 raises (21.05) to 26.65dimaer238 is all-In.filyph calls (0.30)filyph is all-In.** Dealing River ** : [ 7c ] Creating Main Pot with $48.70 with filyph** Summary **Main Pot: $48.70 | Rake: $2.55Board: [ 8d Jc Tc 6s 7c ] syuen101 balance $51.10, didn't bet (folded)dimaer238 balance $52.65, bet $28.35, collected $52.65, net +$24.30 [ 5c 8c 8h 7d ] [ a flush, Jack high -- Jc,Tc,8c,7c,5c ]cube247 balance $159.60, lost $0.25 (folded) TheDFA balance $32.60, sits outPokerSpass balance $5.85, didn't bet (folded)RatZiggy balance $23.30, lost $0.25 (folded) scheka22 balance $23.15, didn't bet (folded)filyph balance $0, lost $24.40 [ 9d Qh Qd Ks ] [ a straight Eight to Queen -- Qh,Jc,Tc,9d,8d ]jardabudy balance $49.21, lost $1.70 (folded) parturi balance $19.45, lost $0.25 (folded)

[Fily]

***** Hand History for Game 5781002534 *****0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Sun Mar 18 09:36:40 EDT 2007Table Table 126509 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10Seat 1: syuen101 ( $51.10)Seat 2: dimaer238 ( $28.35)Seat 3: cube247 ( $159.85)Seat 4: TheDFA ( $32.60)Seat 5: PokerSpass ( $5.85)Seat 6: RatZiggy ( $23.55)Seat 7: scheka22 ( $23.15)Seat 8: filyph ( $24.40)Seat 9: jardabudy ( $50.91)Seat 10: parturi ( $19.70)jardabudy posts small blind (0.10)parturi posts big blind (0.25)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to filyph [ 9d, Qh, Qd, Ks ] syuen101 folds.dimaer238 calls (0.25)cube247 calls (0.25)PokerSpass folds.RatZiggy calls (0.25)scheka22 folds.filyph calls (0.25)jardabudy calls (0.15)parturi checks.** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8d, Jc, Tc ] jardabudy checks.parturi checks.dimaer238 checks.cube247 checks.RatZiggy checks.filyph bets (1.45)jardabudy calls (1.45)parturi folds.dimaer238 calls (1.45)cube247 folds.RatZiggy folds.** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6s ] jardabudy checks.dimaer238 bets (5.60)filyph raises (22.40) to 22.40jardabudy folds.dimaer238 raises (21.05) to 26.65dimaer238 is all-In.filyph calls (0.30)filyph is all-In.** Dealing River ** : [ 7c ] Creating Main Pot with $48.70 with filyph** Summary **Main Pot: $48.70 | Rake: $2.55Board: [ 8d Jc Tc 6s 7c ] syuen101 balance $51.10, didn't bet (folded)dimaer238 balance $52.65, bet $28.35, collected $52.65, net +$24.30 [ 5c 8c 8h 7d ] [ a flush, Jack high -- Jc,Tc,8c,7c,5c ]cube247 balance $159.60, lost $0.25 (folded) TheDFA balance $32.60, sits outPokerSpass balance $5.85, didn't bet (folded)RatZiggy balance $23.30, lost $0.25 (folded) scheka22 balance $23.15, didn't bet (folded)filyph balance $0, lost $24.40 [ 9d Qh Qd Ks ] [ a straight Eight to Queen -- Qh,Jc,Tc,9d,8d ]jardabudy balance $49.21, lost $1.70 (folded) parturi balance $19.45, lost $0.25 (folded)

[Fily]

perchè spunta così!!??

[Fily]

***** Hand History for Game 5781002534 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Sun Mar 18 09:36:40 EDT 2007
Table Table 126509 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: syuen101 ( $51.10)
Seat 2: dimaer238 ( $28.35)
Seat 3: cube247 ( $159.85)
Seat 4: TheDFA ( $32.60)
Seat 5: PokerSpass ( $5.85)
Seat 6: RatZiggy ( $23.55)
Seat 7: scheka22 ( $23.15)
Seat 8: filyph ( $24.40)
Seat 9: jardabudy ( $50.91)
Seat 10: parturi ( $19.70)
jardabudy posts small blind (0.10)
parturi posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to filyph [ 9d, Qh, Qd, Ks ]
syuen101 folds.
dimaer238 calls (0.25)
cube247 calls (0.25)
PokerSpass folds.
RatZiggy calls (0.25)
scheka22 folds.
filyph calls (0.25)
jardabudy calls (0.15)
parturi checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8d, Jc, Tc ]
ho il nut al flop ma ho solo il 36% di vittoria!! jardabudy checks.
parturi checks.
dimaer238 checks.
cube247 checks.
RatZiggy checks.
filyph bets (1.45)
jardabudy calls (1.45)
parturi folds.
dimaer238 calls (1.45)
cube247 folds.
RatZiggy folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6s ]

blank : ora passo in vantaggio percentualmente:
conclusione lo stack ad omaha lo giochi
al turn(soprattutto se c’è progetto colore o scala:con il set diventa potentissimo..
in questi casi il flop è per chiarirti le idee rimanendo basso..attento alla posizione,
fuori posizione rimani ancor più basso. jardabudy checks.
dimaer238 bets (5.60)
filyph raises (22.40) to 22.40
jardabudy folds.
dimaer238 raises (21.05) to 26.65
dimaer238 is all-In.
filyph calls (0.30)
filyph is all-In.
** Dealing River ** : [ 7c ]
Creating Main Pot with $48.70 with filyph
** Summary **
Main Pot: $48.70 | Rake: $2.55
Board: [ 8d Jc Tc 6s 7c ]

syuen101 balance $51.10, didn't bet (folded)
dimaer238 balance $52.65, bet $28.35, collected $52.65, net +$24.30 [ 5c 8c 8h 7d ] [ a flush, Jack high -- Jc,Tc,8c,7c,5c ]
cube247 balance $159.60, lost $0.25 (folded)
TheDFA balance $32.60, sits out
PokerSpass balance $5.85, didn't bet (folded)
RatZiggy balance $23.30, lost $0.25 (folded)
scheka22 balance $23.15, didn't bet (folded)
filyph balance $0, lost $24.40 [ 9d Qh Qd Ks ] [ a straight Eight to Queen -- Qh,Jc,Tc,9d,8d ]
jardabudy balance $49.21, lost $1.70 (folded)
parturi balance $19.45, lost $0.25 (folded)

[Fily]

ok risolto..hemm scusate!!

[Fily]

cmq una mano difficile..come l'avreste affrontata?

[galimberti11]

si mano difficile, giusto non foldare preflop(per il sistema hutchinson sei appena sopra al livello minimo di mano da chiamare), al turn hai un 74%
al river crolli al 46% e puntualmente vieni punito dal flush
Cmq giusto il raise allin al turn
inutile dire che gli avversari short si buttano tutti
Poi è stata sfortuna

[Fily]

sei sicuro delle percentuali??
al flop dovrei avere un 36 % circa di rimanere in vantaggio e al turn circa 55%

[Fily]

p.s. chi è hutchinson??

[Tatanka]

Per quel che riguarda le percentuali son giuste 36 e 55
Sulla difficoltà della mano invece ho qualche dubbio in più...con i vostri stack è una mano che si gioca da sola ;)
Tu hai giustamente spinto con la scala, lui purtroppo aveva la backdoor debole ma che è bastata per batterti...nn hai
nulla da rimproverarti.

Hutchinson credo sia un sistema che assegna un punteggio ad ogni carta, sommandoli dovresti ottenere la "forza" della tua mano per capire se chiamare preflop o meno.
Personalmente sono un po' contrario a questi sistemi...possono andar bene all'inizio per un principiante, evitandogli di giocare troppi piatti...ma se vuoi imparare veramente a giocare le mani di partenza è meglio sceglierle "fai da te" ;)

[galimberti11]